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# Introduction by everyone in the room: who? where? what aspects of low-ell BB interest you? 5 minutes | # Introduction by everyone in the room: who? where? what aspects of low-ell BB interest you? 5 minutes | ||
− | # Recap of the plan for this session/CD-1 goals [Wu], 3 minutes | + | # Recap of the plan for this session/CD-1 goals [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Mg1LAUMPJQuLv_Qlk0rXA51KijHwe9BYMAZaLfziE4Y/edit?usp=sharing slides][Wu], 3 minutes |
− | # Review of Fisher based S4 forecasting thus far leading to DSR appendix A [Ben/Victor/Raphael], 15 minutes | + | # [https://cmb-s4.org/wiki/images/UCSD_PGW_lowellBB_vbuza.pdf Review of Fisher based S4 forecasting thus far leading to DSR appendix A] [Ben/Victor/Raphael], 15 minutes |
# Review of Map based S4 forecasting thus far and ideas for next steps [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13WQ7t6cyAfchYjKEGw3iuR1U_8QxEC7pJAHmNUmqjXQ Clem], 10 minutes | # Review of Map based S4 forecasting thus far and ideas for next steps [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13WQ7t6cyAfchYjKEGw3iuR1U_8QxEC7pJAHmNUmqjXQ Clem], 10 minutes | ||
− | # Review of forecasting and simulations for Simons Observatory inflation science [Alonso / Errard / Sherwin], [ | + | # Review of forecasting and simulations for Simons Observatory inflation science [Alonso / Errard / Sherwin], [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12m5qjX8jRa1nFZBwdAeFUOQY3CsW43LnMIubRAgG5OQ/edit?usp=sharing slides] [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XmSwtMbtV0yuqwBngwM-f7IAfgQp6UAB/view?usp=sharing delensing slides] 30 minutes |
# Plans for working group [all], ~60 minutes | # Plans for working group [all], ~60 minutes | ||
## Forecasting | ## Forecasting | ||
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##* Coordination with technical groups on instrument configuration, etc | ##* Coordination with technical groups on instrument configuration, etc | ||
##* What else needs to be demonstrated for CD1? | ##* What else needs to be demonstrated for CD1? | ||
+ | ##* Bottlenecks for sim production | ||
## Analysis of Data Challenges | ## Analysis of Data Challenges | ||
##* Who plans to participate? How do we get more participation? | ##* Who plans to participate? How do we get more participation? | ||
##* Delensing | ##* Delensing | ||
+ | ## Specific Data Challenge plan / timeline | ||
+ | ##* Experiment config 06: DSR configuration, in progress | ||
+ | ##* Update / reoptimization of delensing survey? | ||
+ | ##* Inclusion of instrumental systematics -- which ones? how to include? | ||
+ | ##* Data Challenges coming out of Data Management group | ||
== Remote attendance == | == Remote attendance == | ||
− | + | Join Zoom Meeting | |
+ | https://zoom.us/j/340796462?pwd=S1o3Q3NQUlFOWkVVUXVrV1laK0JrQT09 | ||
+ | *Meeting ID: 340 796 462 | ||
+ | *Password: 654876 | ||
+ | |||
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+ | *Dial by your location | ||
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== Notes == | == Notes == | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Buza / Racine: CMB-S4 PGW Forecasting === | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Forecasting loop: achieved performance used to forecast CMB-S4 instrument -> generate map-based sims with sky model -> analyze to determine sigma(r) and compare to forecast | ||
+ | * 9 bands spanning 4 atmospheric windows. Using split-bands to guard against unknown foreground complications. (20 GHz channel is on LAT to avoid huge beams) | ||
+ | * Calculate detector NETs for South Pole and Chile. NETs are only used to rescale BICEP/Keck achieved performance -- no ab initio sensitivity calculation. | ||
+ | * Forecast assumes sky model with dust and synchrotron. Foregrounds are allowed to decorrelate -- Fisher calculation assumes 3% dust decorrelation between 217 and 353 GHz. | ||
+ | * Choose distribution of effort across nine frequencies plus delensing (10 channels) to minimize sigma(r). | ||
+ | * Data challenge maps use forecasted noise levels but consider many different foreground models. Validates forecast and also determines bias due to different foreground models. | ||
+ | * Analyze data challenge maps with two pipelines: ILC and parametric likelihood foreground cleaning. | ||
+ | * For DSR, converted optimized distribution into discrete instrument configurations in consultation with SAT and detectors groups. Settled on "configuration 5" -> reference design. | ||
+ | * Using detailed sky coverage maps for Chile (deep and shallow) and Pole (deep or wide). Still rescaling from BICEP/Keck noise, but accounting for change in depth and bandpower degrees of freedom. Also applied a foreground mask, which eliminates some of the Chile coverage. Optionally apply foreground penalty -- assume that we can clean down to 1% of foreground, residual acts as bias. | ||
+ | ** End up with variation in sigma(r) as a function of number of SATs in Chile vs Pole. Results are different for r=0 vs r=0.003. | ||
+ | * Lloyd: We don't currently have optimal amount of delensing throughput. Want to know what delensing throughput is needed to hit measurement requirements. See Marius' figure from DSR but need to know what A_L level is threshold. | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Sherwin: SO BB pipeline / delensing === | ||
+ | |||
+ | * SO is very different limit from S4 -- more noise and more sky, so delensing is less important. SO sigma(r) increases by factor of 2 without delensing. | ||
+ | * Using linearized delensing B-mode template constructed on curved sky. Using Wiener filter to downweight noisy regions, but this isn't much better than just masking. Lensing template treated as virtual frequency band. | ||
+ | * SO in intermediate regime where delensing is needed, but noise isn't quite good enough for internal delensing. Also using LSS (CIB, galaxies) as lensing tracer. Multi-tracer delensing gives significant improvement over CIB or CMB internal alone. Think that they will get to ~70% delensing once LSST data is available. | ||
+ | * Running this in a pipeline. Sims include lensing and LSS. | ||
+ | * Think that LSS calibration will be ok because can do it via cross-spectra with noisy CMB lensing map. Worried about bias due to Galactic dust in CIB maps, but ran some sims and it looks ok. | ||
+ | * Is multi-tracer delensing useful as cross-check for CMB-S4? Very complicated, but could be helpful for wide survey. Important to marginalize over A_lens because lensing residual might be uncertain. | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Errard: SO BB + delensing forecasts === | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Three different analysis pipelines: power-spectrum based, parametric map-based, and blind ILC. Now working to validate full pipelines on realistic sims. | ||
+ | * Large sky fraction for low-ell survey: 10-20%. Hit regions with higher foregrounds and have to worry about spatial variations of foregrounds. | ||
+ | * Power-spectrum based pipeline: use auto and cross-spectra, model foregrounds, marginalize with Gaussian likelihood. Hard to account for spatially-varying foregrounds. | ||
+ | * Map-based cleaning pipeline: xForecast. Approximate full map likelihood by averaging over CMB and noise fluctuations. Validated against full map-based likelihood (BFoRe) and saw good agreement. | ||
+ | * Analysis of simulated maps produces similar results for all pipelines. Tried some more complicated foreground models. | ||
+ | * Delensing: for power-spectrum-based pipeline, delensing template is a virtual frequency channel. For map-based pipeline, subtract delensing map from foreground-cleaned CMB map. | ||
+ | * We should run these pipelines on CMB-S4 sims and vice versa. SO sims are at NERSC and publicly available. | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Pryke: PGW map-based sims === | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Most recent set is experiment definition 04 with ten different foreground models. Not up-to-date with DSR experiment design. | ||
+ | * Hope that foreground models span reality, but no guarantee of this. | ||
+ | ** Three PySM models | ||
+ | ** Tuhin Ghosh model | ||
+ | ** Highly-decorrelated dust model, designed to break things (and it does!) | ||
+ | ** Flauger / Hensley MHD-based model | ||
+ | ** Amplitude-modulated Gaussian, based on Planck | ||
+ | ** MKD multilayer model (Delabrouille): SED deviates from greybody even in small pixels -- produces strong bias in analysis (but also fails goodness-of-fit) | ||
+ | ** Vansyngel model: extends non-Gaussian structure to small scales | ||
+ | * Map-based sims validate forecast but also allow measurement of bias due to foreground model. | ||
+ | * Recipe to scale noise from achieved performance to map-based sims: | ||
+ | *# Use ratios of ideal NETs to scale from achieved performance to S4 forecast | ||
+ | *# Generate full sky realizations of noise (with tweak needed to recover N_ell) | ||
+ | *# Divide by sqrt of relative hits map. Raphael notes that this causes small bias in results because of mode coupling. | ||
+ | * In addition to BK achieved performance, we have new POLARBEAR results with N_ell and hit pattern. | ||
+ | * Going to make 06 sets of sims using DSR experiment configuration and hits maps. | ||
+ | ** Who takes this over when Clem goes to Pole? Caterina volunteers (maybe Victor or Colin too) | ||
+ | * What about data challenge maps from Data Management group? | ||
+ | ** We should be ready to analyze those, but keep going on our own sim program. | ||
+ | ** Need to talk to Data Management people to make sure that they use good inputs for the sims, especially noise and sky model. | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Other discussion === | ||
+ | |||
+ | * More / better foreground models: will be discussed in next parallel session | ||
+ | * Instrumental systematics: | ||
+ | ** Huge task, but broader responsibility than just this group | ||
+ | ** Need to prioritize which systematics are most critical. Can we produce a prioritized list? | ||
+ | ** What about just specifying allowable "additive systematics" (which we have already done)? "Measurement requirement" is a spec on additive contamination in the map. | ||
+ | ** SO is worried about ground pickup. This is main POLARBEAR systematic for low-ell BB. | ||
+ | * Mukherjee: bias from patchy reionization could be equivalent to 3e-4. Can we add this to simulations? | ||
+ | * Is telecon time still ok? It should work for Europe. Not planning to change. Next telecon will be October 28. |
Latest revision as of 17:46, 18 October 2019
Contents
Charge
- Identify key decisions that must be made (and justified) prior to CD-1,
- Make progress on (or actually make) those decisions,
- Lay out a timeline and process for making each decision, consistent with the post-decision work and internal reviews that will be needed to complete preparations for CD-1,
- Ensure that those timelines and processes are understood and supported by the collaboration, and that we (together) believe we can follow them.
Key Issues
- How do we optimize detector allocation across frequency in the face of uncertainty about foreground properties, for both the SATs and the delensing LAT?
- What are the advantages of split bands? How does performance compare to non-split bands?
- Do we need a 20 GHz channel on delensing LAT (for SAT science)
- How well will de-lensing work in practice?
- What are the necessary analysis tools to answer these questions?
What is CD-1?
Blatantly copied from Analysis/Pipeline Working Group: Maps to C_ell:
Background/clarifying questions:
- What does “by CD-1” mean, and what are the implications for when tools need to be in place and working?
- According to APC white paper (https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.01062), CD-1 is in Q3 of FY2021 (so June 2021?).
- But according to project office, "Plan [must be] finalized by start of 2020 for delivering...CD-1"
- Working backward from there, any tool that could reasonably influence a CD-1 decision needs to be in place and working by ... ?
- Give an example timeline for an example decision?
- According to APC white paper (https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.01062), CD-1 is in Q3 of FY2021 (so June 2021?).
Agenda
- Introduction by everyone in the room: who? where? what aspects of low-ell BB interest you? 5 minutes
- Recap of the plan for this session/CD-1 goals slides[Wu], 3 minutes
- Review of Fisher based S4 forecasting thus far leading to DSR appendix A [Ben/Victor/Raphael], 15 minutes
- Review of Map based S4 forecasting thus far and ideas for next steps Clem, 10 minutes
- Review of forecasting and simulations for Simons Observatory inflation science [Alonso / Errard / Sherwin], slides delensing slides 30 minutes
- Plans for working group [all], ~60 minutes
- Forecasting
- Quantitative comparison of SO and CMB-S4 DSR forecasts
- Optimization of delensing effort: update for DSR sensitivity, motivation for frequency coverage, feedback from real delensing efforts
- Data Challenge simulations
- More / better foreground models
- Instrumental systematics
- Other map non-idealities, i.e. filtering / mode loss
- Coordination with technical groups on instrument configuration, etc
- What else needs to be demonstrated for CD1?
- Bottlenecks for sim production
- Analysis of Data Challenges
- Who plans to participate? How do we get more participation?
- Delensing
- Specific Data Challenge plan / timeline
- Experiment config 06: DSR configuration, in progress
- Update / reoptimization of delensing survey?
- Inclusion of instrumental systematics -- which ones? how to include?
- Data Challenges coming out of Data Management group
- Forecasting
Remote attendance
Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.us/j/340796462?pwd=S1o3Q3NQUlFOWkVVUXVrV1laK0JrQT09
- Meeting ID: 340 796 462
- Password: 654876
- One tap mobile
- +14086380968,,340796462# US (San Jose)
- +16465588656,,340796462# US (New York)
- Dial by your location
- +1 408 638 0968 US (San Jose)
- +1 646 558 8656 US (New York)
- Meeting ID: 340 796 462
- Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/aeGN6VEA3T
Notes
Buza / Racine: CMB-S4 PGW Forecasting
- Forecasting loop: achieved performance used to forecast CMB-S4 instrument -> generate map-based sims with sky model -> analyze to determine sigma(r) and compare to forecast
- 9 bands spanning 4 atmospheric windows. Using split-bands to guard against unknown foreground complications. (20 GHz channel is on LAT to avoid huge beams)
- Calculate detector NETs for South Pole and Chile. NETs are only used to rescale BICEP/Keck achieved performance -- no ab initio sensitivity calculation.
- Forecast assumes sky model with dust and synchrotron. Foregrounds are allowed to decorrelate -- Fisher calculation assumes 3% dust decorrelation between 217 and 353 GHz.
- Choose distribution of effort across nine frequencies plus delensing (10 channels) to minimize sigma(r).
- Data challenge maps use forecasted noise levels but consider many different foreground models. Validates forecast and also determines bias due to different foreground models.
- Analyze data challenge maps with two pipelines: ILC and parametric likelihood foreground cleaning.
- For DSR, converted optimized distribution into discrete instrument configurations in consultation with SAT and detectors groups. Settled on "configuration 5" -> reference design.
- Using detailed sky coverage maps for Chile (deep and shallow) and Pole (deep or wide). Still rescaling from BICEP/Keck noise, but accounting for change in depth and bandpower degrees of freedom. Also applied a foreground mask, which eliminates some of the Chile coverage. Optionally apply foreground penalty -- assume that we can clean down to 1% of foreground, residual acts as bias.
- End up with variation in sigma(r) as a function of number of SATs in Chile vs Pole. Results are different for r=0 vs r=0.003.
- Lloyd: We don't currently have optimal amount of delensing throughput. Want to know what delensing throughput is needed to hit measurement requirements. See Marius' figure from DSR but need to know what A_L level is threshold.
Sherwin: SO BB pipeline / delensing
- SO is very different limit from S4 -- more noise and more sky, so delensing is less important. SO sigma(r) increases by factor of 2 without delensing.
- Using linearized delensing B-mode template constructed on curved sky. Using Wiener filter to downweight noisy regions, but this isn't much better than just masking. Lensing template treated as virtual frequency band.
- SO in intermediate regime where delensing is needed, but noise isn't quite good enough for internal delensing. Also using LSS (CIB, galaxies) as lensing tracer. Multi-tracer delensing gives significant improvement over CIB or CMB internal alone. Think that they will get to ~70% delensing once LSST data is available.
- Running this in a pipeline. Sims include lensing and LSS.
- Think that LSS calibration will be ok because can do it via cross-spectra with noisy CMB lensing map. Worried about bias due to Galactic dust in CIB maps, but ran some sims and it looks ok.
- Is multi-tracer delensing useful as cross-check for CMB-S4? Very complicated, but could be helpful for wide survey. Important to marginalize over A_lens because lensing residual might be uncertain.
Errard: SO BB + delensing forecasts
- Three different analysis pipelines: power-spectrum based, parametric map-based, and blind ILC. Now working to validate full pipelines on realistic sims.
- Large sky fraction for low-ell survey: 10-20%. Hit regions with higher foregrounds and have to worry about spatial variations of foregrounds.
- Power-spectrum based pipeline: use auto and cross-spectra, model foregrounds, marginalize with Gaussian likelihood. Hard to account for spatially-varying foregrounds.
- Map-based cleaning pipeline: xForecast. Approximate full map likelihood by averaging over CMB and noise fluctuations. Validated against full map-based likelihood (BFoRe) and saw good agreement.
- Analysis of simulated maps produces similar results for all pipelines. Tried some more complicated foreground models.
- Delensing: for power-spectrum-based pipeline, delensing template is a virtual frequency channel. For map-based pipeline, subtract delensing map from foreground-cleaned CMB map.
- We should run these pipelines on CMB-S4 sims and vice versa. SO sims are at NERSC and publicly available.
Pryke: PGW map-based sims
- Most recent set is experiment definition 04 with ten different foreground models. Not up-to-date with DSR experiment design.
- Hope that foreground models span reality, but no guarantee of this.
- Three PySM models
- Tuhin Ghosh model
- Highly-decorrelated dust model, designed to break things (and it does!)
- Flauger / Hensley MHD-based model
- Amplitude-modulated Gaussian, based on Planck
- MKD multilayer model (Delabrouille): SED deviates from greybody even in small pixels -- produces strong bias in analysis (but also fails goodness-of-fit)
- Vansyngel model: extends non-Gaussian structure to small scales
- Map-based sims validate forecast but also allow measurement of bias due to foreground model.
- Recipe to scale noise from achieved performance to map-based sims:
- Use ratios of ideal NETs to scale from achieved performance to S4 forecast
- Generate full sky realizations of noise (with tweak needed to recover N_ell)
- Divide by sqrt of relative hits map. Raphael notes that this causes small bias in results because of mode coupling.
- In addition to BK achieved performance, we have new POLARBEAR results with N_ell and hit pattern.
- Going to make 06 sets of sims using DSR experiment configuration and hits maps.
- Who takes this over when Clem goes to Pole? Caterina volunteers (maybe Victor or Colin too)
- What about data challenge maps from Data Management group?
- We should be ready to analyze those, but keep going on our own sim program.
- Need to talk to Data Management people to make sure that they use good inputs for the sims, especially noise and sky model.
Other discussion
- More / better foreground models: will be discussed in next parallel session
- Instrumental systematics:
- Huge task, but broader responsibility than just this group
- Need to prioritize which systematics are most critical. Can we produce a prioritized list?
- What about just specifying allowable "additive systematics" (which we have already done)? "Measurement requirement" is a spec on additive contamination in the map.
- SO is worried about ground pickup. This is main POLARBEAR systematic for low-ell BB.
- Mukherjee: bias from patchy reionization could be equivalent to 3e-4. Can we add this to simulations?
- Is telecon time still ok? It should work for Europe. Not planning to change. Next telecon will be October 28.